davidulee asked:

Can you please provide us your thoughts on how long (lengthwise) one's suit jacket/blazer should be? I am personally a fan of the short (ok very short) blazer (e.g. Black Fleece, Maison Kitsune). The obvious problem is those brands are ridiculously expensive. I do not understand why we aren't seeing shorter suit jackets. For example, have you ever noticed how long the jackets at J. Crew are? It looks unrefined in my opinion (no offense to any J. Crew suit owners, I have one myself). Thanks


Since I haven’t posted anything in a while I’ll provide a few different answers so that I can fulfill my blogging word quota for the month.

The classic take on suit jacket length is that the back of the jacket must cover your rear end. Older generations grew up with this basic principal. Men who do not care about dressing well will generally abide by this rule as well (probably unknowingly). The difference between those wear it well and those that don’t usually comes down to having proper fit and proportion for the individual’s body. If you have short arms or torso buy a S (short) rather than a R (regular). Not doing so is a common mistake for many men.  Is your J. Crew suit a S or R?

The PC answer is that it’s a matter of your personal preference. In fashion there are always trends that stray far from the classic or the norm. Designers are supposed to be trendsetters and put forth their unique spin on clothing. The short suit is one interpretation of the suit and there is obviously a market for it. Thom Browne is most synonymous with the short suit and has capitalized on it. With the recent endorsement by the first lady during the inauguration this past week, I’m sure we’ll see more of Thom Browne’s fashion influence in the near future. Likewise, there have been periods when suits have been overly large and baggy which seemed to have resonated with athletes (See Jay Culter below).

Since there are a million other blogs and forums that have endless discussions of the “proper fit/style” of anything this will just be my take on the matter and you can use it as you see fit.

It’s important to take notice of trends and to be able to incorporate it with your personal preferences. As a slim, shorter man, it is extremely difficult for me to find suits off the rack that fit well. Most stores will have a very limited selection of 36S suits or not carry them at all. So when I first came across the Brooks Brothers Black Fleece line I was very excited because the shorter length design was something that was so hard for me to find and I thought this was my answer. I tried on a BB0 size and the sleeves were more or less the perfect length for me. But as I looked longer and longer in the mirror something seemed slightly off. Then it hit me, the extreme short cut of the jacket made the proportions of the suit unappealing to me.

While I lean towards a more classic fit, I do agree with you David, that the cleaner look (at least according to the current consensus by those who are “authorities” on the matter) is to have a slightly shorter jacket. I still make sure that my bottom is covered but just barely. My suit jackets/blazers never pass the middle knuckle of my fingers. I measure this by standing straight with my arms relaxed on my sides and cuffing the bottom of the jacket as if I was holding a book in each hand. Ideally there should be no extra fabric in your hands while doing this. It’s on the shorter end of the classic jacket length spectrum but proportionally I think this works well for me because it doesn’t cut off my legs which adds to the appearance vertically.

This would be my ideal length for a jacket as worn by Alan from the Armoury.

Most men have jackets that are past their entire hands with makes them seem shorter than they are because most of their legs are covered by the jacket.

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Jay Cutler is a prime example of how most men dress. The jacket length is too long, shoulders too big and pants too baggy. Such a shame, with all his resources…

…Cutler should take a cue from Jack Donaghy. (OMG is Culter his son?!) Something to strive for as you get older Jay!
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On the flip side, having a super short jacket makes your body seem smaller and if you go “full Tropic Thunder” with the get up and wear high water pants too you might end up looking like a little person.

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The jacket length in this picture is actually quite OK by me but Mr. Browne who is not tall to begin with makes himself even look shorter with the hiked up pants. But that’s his steez (as the young and cooler bloggers would say) and I can respect that.
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The jacket and sleeve length worn by Tom Brady here is almost comical. My goodness, those are big hands! (Yes, I know it’s not really Tom Brady).
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A blazer/suit jacket should never be shorter than the sleeves!

Lastly, regarding the affordability of the short suit designs that David seeks. If it’s really just the look you care about I would say go custom for a fraction of the price.  Perhaps you may find a store that sells teenage boy’s suits, those suits might have proportions that are similar to the short look when worn by an adult after it’s been tailored but I would not seriously consider this route. If it’s about the name on the label, well you have to pay for that unfortunately.

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Getting it right - A Good Tailor

Finding something that fits perfectly off the rack is nearly impossible, even if you are a “model” size.  Sizing is not an exact science and it doesn’t help that every brand/designer has their own take on sizes and fits.  

Size is based on measurements. (ie Waist size, Neck size, Chest size, etc)
Fit is shape.  (ie Regular, Slim, Extra Slim, Boot cut, etc)

Typically even the smallest size available will be too big for me.  So what do I do?  If I like the item and it’s the right “size” I’ll buy it regardless of how it fits.  Why?  Because I can get it tailored to my exact preference.  As a smaller build guy who also loves finding great deals, this is EXTREMELY liberating.  I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been able to find a great deal on something that I like but doesn’t have the right fit (regular fit vs slim fit) but I was still able to buy it.  The money saved from finding deals may cover the cost of the tailoring!

You and your tailor

Like any relationship, the one with you and your tailor will take time to develop.  He/She may have amazing skills but it will take a few times before the two of you figure out what you are looking for.  My tailoring preferences took about 2 years to hone.  Some of my shirts have been altered as many as 3 times before getting it to how I like it today.  So be patient and start with a couple of items that you like but don’t love and see if the right tailor can make you love it.  If you find that the tailor you are working with is not patient or doesn’t want to do the things you ask, move on to someone else.

Work within these guidelines and you should be well on your way to your best fit.

- You can’t make something bigger if it’s too small.  This should be obvious but I just had to put it out there.

- Stay within your size.  That means if you’re a Small then don’t buy a Large and hope that the tailor can slim it down for you.  SOMETIMES you might be able to do get away with going 1 size up but try to avoid it as much as possible because even with tailoring the proportions will be slightly off.

- Suits.  Buy your proper size (chest size and length) with the best possible fit you can find off the rack AND still get it tailored.  A tailor can make a suit look close to custom for you but only if you give them a solid foundation to start off with.  Tailors CAN change sleeve lengths, slim down sleeves/pants, shorten jacket lengths, and take in the waist BUT they CAN’T (or shouldn’t try to) change shoulder widths, size of armholes and size of lapels.  

How to start

If you have something that you absolutely love the fit of, give that to your tailor to use as a template.  If you have something that’s almost perfect ask your tailor to fix the 1 or 2 things that you think need fixing, once it’s perfect use that as your template.  Which brings up a very important point, you should know what you want or need fixing.  Don’t expect your tailor to tell you what’s wrong with it.  At the end of the day YOU need to feel good about it, not your tailor.

Having a tailor may sound extravagant or unnecessary but think about it this way, whether you’re of modest means or a baller, it’s an investment in the things you buy AND in yourself.  If you’re trying to be frugal by buying something at 90% off it’ll be a waste of money if you can’t wear it because of the way it fits.  On the flip side, no one is going to notice or care about the $300 shirt your wearing if it looks sloppy, and they will probably laugh at you (hopefully not in front of you) for paying that much on something that fits so poorly. 

I hope this helps.  It’s a new year people.  Time to step it up!

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Don’t rush things that get better with age

There’s something very cool about picking up an item that was made 10, 20, 30 years ago and seeing the “character” it has from years of use. Well made products will likely last longer and have a better chance at continued use decades later. In this day and age of treating clothes like they are disposal and manufacturers making them as such, I wonder how much of today’s things will last.

Having that well worn in look can be achieved in two ways. You can buy it new with a distressed look from a designer or it can be done naturally. I want to talk about the latter for a bit. I know people who will buy a well made pair of shoes or jeans and put it through hell just to achieve personal “character” sooner rather than later. This has been done for a long time amongst the raw denim crowd. They would wear a pair of raw denim jeans for 2 years straight with only a couple of washings and then marvel at all the personalized fades and tears from their daily use. The end product is definitely cool but the thought of wearing something everyday to achieve that look is unsanitary to me and doesn’t feel quite right.

Similarly, a friend bought a nice pair of wingtip brogues 2 years ago and within a year I was surprised to find out that he has resoled them already (he’s done it 2 times up to this point). I asked him how did he manage to need a resoling so quickly and he told me that the tries to wear them often and beat them up so that they have some character. Regardless of how much the shoes cost (let alone a $300+ pair) I thought that my friend’s eagerness to give them character was peculiar.

Quality items will last a long time if it’s well take care of. They will naturally get to that state of looking well used and worn. Having a normal, non accelerated rotation may take longer for it to get to that state but doing it over time is more authentic and should result in even more satisfaction in my opinion.  What’s more impressive? Looking at a pair of jeans that’s been with you for 10+ years or a pair that has been worn daily for 2?  I guess the pair that’s been worn for 2 years is also impressive but usually in the “really you only washed them twice?” kind of way. It’s cool to guys who care about denim but probably not to everyone else (especially the ladies).

The risk in taking your time though is that the item might go out of style and may not stay with you long enough to age. But that’s what vintage shops are for, the next person benefits. My advice would be to buy quality items for classics and items that are more disposal for trendy clothing in order to minimize the risk.

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Mixing patterns.
Gray glen check blazer, blue pinstripe shirt, brown houndstooth tie with light green pants and brown leather shoes and belt to finish off my old man get up.

Mixing patterns.
Gray glen check blazer, blue pinstripe shirt, brown houndstooth tie with light green pants and brown leather shoes and belt to finish off my old man get up.

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His own style

A performer usually makes a certain style his/her own.  It’s interesting that Psy chose the tux and spectator shoes to be his thing.

If you don’t know who Psy is you can check this out.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0

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Some things DO change

When I first started following menswear blogs I noticed that there was an affinity for double monk strap shoes by many of the bloggers.  I thought they were interesting but I preferred the single monk because I found it more classic (and there was no hype for them).  However as I saw more and more of the double monks pop up they started to slowly grow on me so I decided that I would keep an eye out for a pair.

Fast forward 2 years later, today I finally got a pair of double monks hand delivered to me by a friend visiting from England.

I’m glad to report 2 things:

1. Even after 2 years I still think the double monk is a beautiful shoe and that it’s not just a passing fad.  The single monks are still more classic but the double monks keep things interesting.  Although many bloggers love them, you don’t see too many of them out in the wild so they are still pretty unique.

2. These shoes are even more beautiful in person than I was anticipating.  This particular pair is the Westminster model made by Edward Green (I indulged a little).  What’s unique about this pair is that it’s not in the normal 888 last which has a more chiseled toe box (see here) but rather in the 202 last which is a more rounded toe.  The 888 last shows really nicely in pictures but in person I find the portions a little odd when looking from the top view.  I was quite nervous about buying these without being able to see them in person considering it’s not the normal 888 last so the look and the fit was more or less a crap shoot on how it would suit me.  Luckily my fears were put to rest after receiving these and trying them on.  It all worked out and I am quite pleased with these.

The dark oak calf antiquing is amazing and what Edward Green is known for.

Top/front view - Unlike the 888 version, when viewed at this angle, the toe box doesn’t look too small and then balloons out.  Instead there’s a gradual smooth transition to the widest point of the shoe from the more rounded toe box. 

I gave it a nice polish prior to first wear.  I look forward to enjoying these for a really long time.

As I turn another year older this week, I also realized that I went from a sneaker collector who hated wearing shoes to having more shoes than I thought I would ever want or wear.  One thing remains the same though I guess, I always willing to spend more for what I put on my feet than most other things that I own.  Let’s just hope that in another 10 years I won’t change gears again and start collecting cowboy boots.  LOL.  

Lastly, while most view growing older as a downer.  I find that growing older (and growing up) is leading to new and exciting experiences and opportunities in life so I’m actually looking forward to all that’s to come.

Cheers!

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Pretty cool ad campaign →

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Change of pace

I’ve been wanting to swap out the bracelet of this watch to a Nato strap for while but never got around to it.  So when I recently saw some straps on sale I picked up a couple of straps.  I’m by no means innovative but better late than never.  ;-)

This navy blue strap matches perfectly with the navy face of the watch.

 
(On my dainty wrist.)

The color strap gives the wrist a pop of color and goes well with casual outfits.  It also dresses down tailored clothing which is great during the summer.  This has been my go to watch for the last few weeks now.

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Uncommon color combo: Pink and Brown
I like how the pink softens the seriousness of the dark brown.  I would recommend giving it a try!

Uncommon color combo: Pink and Brown

I like how the pink softens the seriousness of the dark brown.  I would recommend giving it a try!

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Fair Isle sweater and another knit tie.
Cheapest way to get stuff is during the off season.

Fair Isle sweater and another knit tie.

Cheapest way to get stuff is during the off season.

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